Source: http://yuripasholok.livejournal.com/2194521.html
Author: Yuri Pasholok
In December 1942. Red Army GABTU inventions department recieved a proposal, designated “Shell loading mechanism for the F-34 gun for KV”. Another reworked variant of this idea was proposed in July 1944 – it was different only by the fact that the documentation was mor detailed. It’s worth noting that the KV-1S autoloader was not proposed by some random guy, but by an engineer-captain (by 1944 engineer-major already) called G.V.Barabash (this is somewhat funny in Russian, as the Russian term for ingame autoloaders is “baraban” – in this case, it’s nomen omen). He worked in Leningrad and proposed this in 1944 via the J.V.Stalin military academy.
The idea itself came late and the inventions department denied it, but Barabash had it pantented a year after the war.
Nice mechanism, but I wonder will it make into the game?
yeah maybe a tier 8 kv-1s not a tier 6
Someone needs to inform SerB about this so he can have it implemented right away, once the slow reload for KV-1S is fixed this tank will finally be decent, of course people will say it’s OP and Russian bias, but they are just haters.
True story mate! This tank is horrible with the current reload!
:P
Really? kv-1s amazing as it is, ltp dude ltp.
The preceding posts where pure sarcasm.
PROTIP: the F-34 isn’t the same gun as the D-2-5T.
Tier 8 are too much , It’s 76mm isn’t it?
I prefer it to be put in tier 7 or tier 6 with 6-7-8 mm weight.
KV-1S chassis with 59-16 gun seems like an op tier 8. Make it tier 10 just to be sure.
They take 122 mm and put 122 with autoloader xD
A puzzle for the ages: how does a man who cannot read, write? :/
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F-34 is second gun on t 34 with whopping 86 mm of penetration, 110 average dmg and 0.46 accuracy. Even with autoloader it would be underpowered for tier 6.
This is joke! Wtf people -_-
Here? You never know.
Is it just me or does this reload system look very much like the bustle autoloader the modern French Leclerc uses? :O
IDK, looks kinda like a smaller version of the IS-7 setup… though I guess any autoloader set up to feed “across” the compartment from the turret bustle is going to share a fair bit of overall appereance. :/
looks like a giant machine gun :)
any details about rate of fire and empty shell ejection mechanism?
bring it on!
All those grenades stored so close and in the looks like a huge risk :)
“and in the turret”
The turret looks like a KV-1′s turret. Not a KV-85.
No duh, given that the F-34 is this gun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-34_tank_gun
hmmm looks lit the gun has to be raised to reload each time….. which was true of the IS in WWII there are accounts that Tigers owned them due to the rapit fire of the Tigers and the poor reload time and gun raising process for reloading the IS.
Gun raising and lowering is a very fast procedure if executed properly. IS-2′s slow rate of fire is much more to the very large two-piece ammo in a comparatively small turret, rather than gun raising/lowering. Even Tiger needed to raise its gun to reload if it fired from maximum depression.
Addendum: The original D-2-5T (in WoT, KV-1S’s gun) had manually operated breech from its artillery roots, that further slowed reloading. Improved D-25T (in IS) automated the breech operation somewhat, which sped up loading.
Dat ammo rack MMMM
The problem is, that the cannon cannot be loaded in every position. So it is not possible to say: U have exactly a Rof of X shells/min. Maybe you would have to recalibrate your barrel position at your target after each reloading process. And this would be a huge disadvantage!
As I see the whole loading mechanism is inside the turret including the ammo rack – so why would this autoloader need exact position to work??
There’s no need to recalibrate, if gun elevation to loading position is automated and decouples gun from gunner sights – all modern tanks do this.
Label 5. shows some sort of shell catchment device on a swing arm pivoting at a point labelled 8. , that can carry the next shell down to align with the gun breach in whatever position it is in.
You can see it drawn in a new position, 5 superscript 1 where it is pictured swung into a new position, about 30 degrees below horisontal.
I presume it also holds some sort of shell rammer.
Ah labels 4. and 6. point to shell pushing mechanisms, so it looks like it pushes a shell onto swing arm from the rack, moves the swing arm to align with the barrel, then pushes the shell into the breach.
The scary thing about this is, that the clip is the entire ammo storage in the back of the turret.
With 98 shells in your ‘clip’ you can clip the entire enemy team.
Yeah but it will take 10 mins to load
GOOD!!
I want D-2-5T with autoloader!!
It’s an F-34 dude… a 76mm gun. Sure, I want that on the KV-1S. :3
Tier 7 premium for 5000 gold.
You won’t do much with penetration 86 gun at tier 7.
From the drawings there are many problems with this system and the killer one is that the gun has to from the aim point to be reloaded. There are two different magazines and for each it seems that the gun would have be at a different point in its elevation for loading. For this caliber of weapon a loader would be quicker over the short term. The only advantage is that it has massive ammo capicity which in turn makes the chance of ammo racking all the greater.
If they put this thing in the game, I will delete my account and never play WoT again. The KV-1S right NOW is bad enough; an autoloading Heavy tank at tier 6 would just SCREAM Russian Bias more blatantly than ever before!
You didn’t actually read the article -or even look at the technical drawings- and thus find out what gun the system is for, did you?
Typical kneejerk bullshit.
That 76mm gun, too stronk, long 8,8 has less pen and dmg than that – russian bias.
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Just seeing the title cold chills rund down my spine,if someone see this in wg were screwed in tier 6 for a long time D:
…either you read nothing beyond the headline or have no idea who this Pasholok guy is. Or both, though for verious reasons I’m betting on the former being included.
I have read the article and i know who Pasholok is,that scares me is the interpretation of this in wg,if just we have developers fighting for keep122 in tier6 what whe can expect from them?you know if it’s good for soviet thats “historical”,if its the same for others its denied keeping things “balanced”.
Then why are you talking like this thing doesn’t involve the goddamn KV-1 *stock gun*?
Damn, I’ve thought that people can read, then I saw those comments.
I still think it should be tier six, unless spamming gold the zis-5 76mm it a bit underpowered vs anything really tier 6 and above. More or less against tier 5 heavies and the at 2.
if most of german high tier guns need gold ammo to be effective so why not kv1s :P oh wait it has red star on it :PP
*German*? Yeah, you clearly need to take a look at the US tree.
You are doing it wrong. You can’t whine about something in this game unless it’s German, it’s community rule #1
“I spit on stinking Roman dogsimeancommunityrules! *PTOOOIEE*” >:c
This should be like the autoloader on 59-16.
WoT always makes me laugh. The most preposterous, impractical design proposals are accepted under the guise of “historical,” without a thought to the historical realities that prevented them from actual combat use.
Feel free to point out what exactly is so obviously “fundamentally impractical” about this device, and then maybe also remember nobody said it’s ever going to be in the game.
As for “the historical realities that prevented them from actual combat use”, those should be blatantly obvious when you look at the gun and then the dates at which iterations of the concept were submitted to the higher authorities. I can pretty much guarantee that by ’44 the Red Army could hardly have been less interested in *anything* involving a 76mm gun on a KV platform…
no problem, just deny the KV1s the right to encounter tier IV or V and give it a special MM with tier VI and above and everything will be solved.
“Kellomies on September 7, 2013 at 5:12 pm said:
…and that’s another one who didn’t read past the damn headline.
At least here we have an excellent demonstration of how the Yellow Press gets issues sold.”
Autoloaded KV-1S?
Some people just want to watch the world burn….
…and that’s another one who didn’t read past the damn headline.
At least here we have an excellent demonstration of how the Yellow Press gets issues sold.
So many people don’t read the article lol
If you think this is op, then the 59-16 is op too.
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