Source: http://world-of-ru.livejournal.com/2997156.html
Hello everyone,
what many suspected is now confirmed – German tanks are getting split in 9.0
Tier 3 will be Panzer Ausf.A
Tier 4 will be Panzer Ausf.D
Panzer III is going to also be split into two tanks and StuG the same.
Edit: Panzer III might not be split after all – the older model will apparently somehow merge with Panzer III Ausf.A
Sweet
Awesome :D
Are there any other informations? Do we get a Bonus-Tank for the Splits? Must we research the splitted Tanks if we researched the “Old” non-Splitted Tank? Thanks
Edit: Panzer III is already splitted in Ausf. A and Panzer III. Maybe they introduce the last “Ausführung” of the Panzer III Ausf. N?
I think they will make the Ausf. F version as a tier 3 medium, and the Ausf. L/N will be the tier 4. (maybe L and the new hull will be the N hull with schürzen)
I hope we will get the Stug III Schürzen-Version :-)
On tier V the researchable hull will be either the Schürzen version of Stug III or the Stug IV hull I hope.
i dont think so, if the old tank remains unchanged(pz4 as t5) you probably wont get anything.
We wont get anything if the pzIV stays in its old spot and the new Ausführungen are just added as new tanks to the branch.
Nice, i think this will be great, a panzer IV in t3… :3
guess it’s HE time
I am mot sure I like this… just make em real optional hulls with less hp for historical battles
Well the optional hulls will be there…..but do you really want to get off the Pz38nA grind only to start a stock Panzer IV with 15mm of armor going through all the versions until you get the tier 5 comptetent Ausf. G/H hull? That effectively doubles the grind
Yes. I have no problems with the 38nA.
You have no problems with gaining a tier, having the best of your armor cut by more than 60%, losing your camo bonuses, gaining a larger profile, and having a grind doubled from what it is now
It’s official, WoT gets all kinds of crazy
The T3 will have less Armor but the 7,5cm L/24 will be funny :)
Very interesting stuff …
It will be inferior than M2 med.
Not really, The Ausf. A has the ability to shoot AP.
I guess the best tank for dealing with a pz4a is another pz4a ;)
Any more info about new Stugs and Pz III?
Hmm, so the Panzer 3 AND theStug will be both split? Does this mean 2 free slots if u have them in the garage?
I hope so, but probably it will happen only if some tank will take place of some other, like the last VK tank moving. Otherwise you will simply have a new tank to research in the tree with original kept in garage.
Anyway I will probably buy back Stug and all sorts or Panzers III/IV to see what will happens with them in 9.0 Test server.
Ye, same here. I hope that they get split and we get a new tank :) and slot of course .P
So tier 5 will be the ausf. H then? Also, did the aufs D even mount the L/43, or is that wargaming history again?
Nope, only ausf. G (“F2″) had the L/43 afaik.
Some Ausf. Ds had the L/48 but I don’t know about the L/43.
It’s Ausf. A-C at tier 3, Ausf. D-F2 at tier 4, Ausf. G-H and maybe J at tier 5
Correction: Late Ausf. G* to H at tier 5
Yup in game model for the Tier 5 looks to be the Ausf G (welded extra armor on the front)
Will get that tank for the copensation :D
Compensation for what? Nobody’s losing anything
If they replace the Panzer 38t and Panzer 38nA with these two Panzer IV variants, yes technically they would be (but it would be a hell of a lot better than putting up with scout matchmaking in the Panzer 38nA)
the tier 4 will have 30 frontal armor?
50mm AFAIK
the last pic.. is that the A or the D?
D I guess.
A had 15mm, B 30mm and F1 50mm. So tier 4 will probably have 50mm.
Ausf. D has 30mm frontal armor as you can see on the last pic.
Maybe later when come the researchable hulls there will be a new researchable F1/F2 hull for Ausf. D with 50mm armor.
110 damage and 103mm of penetration on a tier 4 medium. This will put the Panzer IV Ausf. D up there with the M3 Lee, T-28, and Matilda as tier 4 mediums with teeth.
Much KwK L/43
Such Historical
wow
(I’m getting me one of these)
it is historical, the top config represent the F1 IIRC
F2
What will be the Tier 2 of this new “branch”? Any ideas?
Oh boy, about time. This will make my Historical Battles Much less complicated…..
C’moooon…Don’t split the german tree like “War Thunder Style”!!!! Please..
I fear that we can hear that: “Yeah we inspected books and found that we have to split something into 2 new tank! Now first of all we split Ferdinant! One of them is Ferdinant and another is Elefant!!! Which things was changed??? Hmm lets check it; same fire power, same suspension, same engine, same track oh oh wait a minute please, found it: elefant has one more hull machine gun, new commander cuppola and zimmerit!!! Enjoy it!”
Its more intelligent to split the Panzer IV tanks instead of just making them hull options, who wants 14mm of armour at tier 5? You? Most likely not so its better to put that hull at tier 3 and then eliminate the Panzer 38 na grind which is hard enough, it makes more sense having medium tanks instead of a light tank.
Fool.
Ferdinand/Elefant can be split as just simple hull options controlled by the suspension of the tank. Without adding it to another tier etc.
There are a good dozen different hulls for the Pz IV and WG is cutting that in game to about 6(total hull options). It is a very big difference. Please go back to tank school.
“Yeah we inspected books and found that we have to split something into 2 new tank!” << I doubt that is what happened and you sound foolish as hell for saying it.
Pls go and find a dictionary and read meaning of “IRONY”. I know much more about tanks that you’ve imagine. Cause that’s my old job!
Maybe you want to read some Spielberger…And maybe u want to inspect WT German Tree! Maybe want to read about an article that i’ve wrote about it: panzerknacker.weebly.com/lantirn161.html
Just open google translate and translate it turkish into english…!
NOOB!
Looks like they finally put the light tanks into a separate branch. No more “WTF should I do in this match” 38NA drivers.
I hope that will be the case.
this is the most important thing – letting players get to real tanks without going though a freaking scout.
So historically, was there really a Panzer IV with 105 mm howitzer?
Really not.10.5cm howitzer had StuH42 only.
It is plausible that somebody suggested fitting it on the Pz IV but I have never heard of such a proposal. I will dig through the books and find out.
The only reference I’ve found was for the artillery designs of the Pz4 hull. AFAIK mainly it’s just there as a relic of the Schmalturm and a balance against Derp M4′s
They COULD give the 7.5cm l/48 more pen and accuracy
Should
Balance against derp M4 Shermans? But wat about balance against 76 mm Shermans? There must be a good choice of guns here, and the 75 mm L/48 is clearly inferior to the M4′s 76 mm M1A1 gun.
so, does this mean new players won’t have to go through the pz38 na!?
And once again WG gives the playerbase the D…
I’ll just show myself out.
OT: Do you think we’ll see some other re-shuffling of the tech tree at the same time?
Bastard you stole my joke!
Way ahead of you bro.
like…5 minutes…
What are the chances this means we might see the late model Panzer IV and Panzer III with Schürzen on them with this split?
Also, any indication if they intend to change the current Panzer III (Represents the Ausf M in it’s elite config) over to have the 50mm hull with 20mm spaced armor, rather then the solid 70mm plate? You can clearly see the 20mm spaced plate on this picture. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-219-0595-23,_Russland-Mitte-S%C3%BCd,_Panzer_III.jpg
As well as fixing the III’s gun mantlet to actually provide armor protection? Currently the actual mantlet provides it’s 50mm, but the 20mm plate before it provides 0mm protection.
So called this… So excited!!! =)
Now I wish I has not just bought the Pz 38 Na and a crew for it… GDI.
Oh boi! More tonks! I wonder what’s [REMOVED DERPY LoZ CDI REFERENCE] the gun selection for the Ausf. D…
75mm L/24 and L/43 I think. Maybe the 50mm L/60 or L/42.
L/60 should be there, it was tested on an Ausf. D IIRC
Fascist box tenk is stonk tenk glorious defender of the Fatherland! Will destroy much socialist weak tanks no mach for fascist box tenk armor and gun more important that moving!
KLIMENT VOROSHILOV TONK BEST STRONK TONK WILL GRIND FASCIST BOX TONK INTO DUST FOR GLORIOUS MOTHERLAND
Seriously tho, this change looks sweet. A tier IV Panzer IV is gonna’ be epic.
Woot, 0.384 accuracy on it’s L/43? That’s better than the same gun on current tier 5 PzIV. 0.41 if i remember it right
I am all for removing the need to grind the 38nA,
But will WG please stop it with the German , Russian and Yank tanks we have plenty of them and the other lines need filling out, more Brit tanks , more French, finish building a basic China and Jap tree’s.
Why Add them at all if they are going to ignore them ??
Because they’re still researching into them?
Tier 3 medium tank with a 75 mm howitzer?
Yes please! :D
Also, the Panzer IV Ausf.D might finally be a tier 4 tank I would consider worth playing (after the HORRIFIC experience that was the Durchsbruchswagen 2); admittedly I haven’t played many of them, but there’s currently only a few tier 4 vehicles that aren’t premiums that I might consider to be good enough to use on a regular basis (before you ask, yes the M3 Lee’s on that list, but only if you have the patience to figure out how to use it and fully upgrade it – turning it into an absolute monster with 2200 dpm).
Play a Matilda. Hilarious at tier 4.
So I hear. Haven’t played the Matilda yet (I’m working on other lines atm), but I’ve played the AMX-40, which when top tier can be just as trollish as the Matilda from my understanding (fully-upgraded, that is – without all of the upgrades it’s REALLY painful to drive).
But yeah, the Matilda is one of the tanks that’s on my list of “Tier 4 tanks that don’t suck so bad to drive”, which consists of the Matilda, Hetzer, Panzer III, SU-85B, Chi-He, T-28, AMX-40 and even the M3 Lee (though it takes time to master it – I have a friend who has pulled off AMAZING things in the Lee, and makes use of its bad reputation to psyche opponents out). Of course, the caveat for those are that they need to be full-upgraded, and in top tier to really be fun (with a couple of exceptions, namely the Panzer III and the Chi-He, the latter of which I’ve used as a passive scout with notable success).
Note, I’m not counting premium vehicles here, because if I were to count THOSE I would say hands-down that the one I’ve found most enjoyable is the Panzer B2 (pretty much the only low-tier premium German Heavy, and it’s almost never sold because of its special matchmaking). Why, you ask? It’s always top tier, with the downside of being unable to platoon with anything other than other Panzer B2s, Lend-Lease Valentines or tanks below its tier unless one is willing to risk the chance of it getting into games higher than tier 4 (and trust me, it NEEDS that special matchmaking – one only has to look at the regular Char B1 or the DW2 – which was a nightmare I do NOT want to repeat – to know how it would perform against tier 5s). The lend-lease Valentine would have come in as a close second (it gets the same MM as the B2) with its trollish armor (in some places, and not as good as the Matilda’s or AMX-40′s armor), but that armor lost most of its value when premium ammo became available for credits.
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