Of Achilles and M10 Armor

Hello everyone,

some of you guys (thanks to Listy for this particular thing) might have noticed one thing about the new 9.5 branch. We basically have to relatively identical vehicles in the game – the M10 US TD and the Achillers, which are mostly identical (Achilles is simply a re-armed M10), yet they – in the game – have quite a different armor. Check it out – the M10:


And the Achilles:


Basically, as you can see, the frontal Achilles armor is mostly 38,1mm thick (with that red part being 50,8mm thick), the sides are 19,1mm thick, the mantlet is 57,2mm thick and most of the frontal turret is 19,1mm thick with 25,4mm sides. On the other hand, the M10 front is entirely 51mm thick (with the red part being much larger – and 114mm thick), the sides are roughly equal (19mm) and so is the mantlet, but the entire turret front is 57mm thick and the hole behind the mantlet is much smaller. What’s up with that?

Well, that’s because M10 is ridiculously overarmored in the game. It’s the same story as with other models – M10 is quite an old model and back then, historicity was not that important as it is now for Wargaming (well, unless they decide to implement some made-up shit again anyway), that’s why it ended up with much thicker armor than it should have. In any case, it’s quite likely that when it is reworked to HD, the M10 armor gets nerfed to the Achilles level. The M36 Jackson has the same issue by the way.

Still, it’s very likely this will be compensated by buffs in other areas, so…

38 thoughts on “Of Achilles and M10 Armor

  1. I noticed already the Achilles armor is non-existed when autoloading low tier scout can pen it frontally raping your HP.

    Also, too bad the T-54 still has 120mm frontal armor when it was reworked to HD, which is totally retarded with the agility it has now.

    • Not that T-54 is OP right now. After the rework the turret got raped, anything with half a brain can penetrate it now. Cry about something that makes more sense.

      • but………. but…… he bounced on it with his stock t7 tank,ofcourse he has to cry.. op armour nerf plox……

  2. talking about armour models, the ‘PCRoom M48A1′ visual and collision models are fucked. at least it matches though….

  3. The Achilles actually had additional armour added to it by the British. The gun depression is nerfed too. Thank you war gaming……wankers

  4. Out of curiosity, how overbuffed is the Jackson’s armor? I know at it’s thickest point it’s supposed to be roughly as thick as that of the Tiger I, but how big is that area in actuality? Just the uh, crotch, between the front wheels?

    • A better question would be why don’t the m10 or m36 have the Ford GAA (500hp) motor, yet the Achilles does? More than happy for historical armour if they give both Us TD’s the historical motor.

      • The GAA has been on the books for many years now, but it’s been implied the general American tree rebalance has been broken up so changes will be coming as each tank gets their HD conversion

      • The Achilles is not the same as the M10. The achilles had an additional 17mm welded or bolted on to hull front and sides. Wargaming have been so very lazy with this model.

  5. Didn’t WG say that the Easy 8 would have the same historical armor as the Fury once it’s rendered in HD? In other words, the Easy 8 will be nerfed.

  6. I doubt they’ll buff it in other areas if they nerf the armour – they haven’t done the same for any of the other tanks that got nerfed by HD (Tortoise, M103, Sherman, T-54, etc…)

  7. HD rework will “screw up” alot of existing tanks. It is historical but the thing is WG is not compensating the “nerfed” tanks with anything at all. Which is quite stupid and unfair IMO.

  8. No pls.The reason I chose the Wolverine or the T67 is its ability to survive low tier shots and 105 derp.Don’t touch the armour.

  9. here we go with more whining about other random tanks being OP…so tired of the cry babies,,shit was never an issue the last 3 years, NOW all of a sudden we got to find something new to cry about..idiots

  10. “Still, it’s very likely this will be compensated by buffs in other areas, so… ”

    Good joke dude. Maybe if it was russian.