Author: Chickentikka
Part 1 can be found here.
The Type 69 was known as the WZ-121 in industrial designation. In 1966, Factory 617 managed to produce the first prototype. The development was very slow because of the cultural Revolution (it’s one of the biggest failures, caused the delay of the development of the WHOLE country by around 20 years at least, so no doubt it affected tanks as well) and the lack of any help from anyone.
The breakthrough happened when China had a border clash with the Russians at an island called Zhenbaodao, also known as Damanskii Island.
Russians, knowing that the T-62 was a top secret tank that should not be captured, launched artillery shells at the T-62 sinking it into the river. None the less, the battle heroes, while reporting in the People’s congress, told the leaders that there is a T-62 on the bottom of the river. China then got divers and machines to take it out of the water.
From the T-62, China managed to examine the new designs of new Soviet tanks. Soviet Luna IR searchlight system was copied and integrated into the Type 69 design. The Chinese engineers had first hand reference material, so it proved to be a significant factor to the Type 69 development. The T-62, that was captured is now on display in the Beijing Military Museum (not the tank museum).
The T-62 showed Chinese engineers how the smooth bore guns work and they were able to get their hands on first hand reference material, which no doubt gave China a lot of design support for the future 100mm smooth bore gun on the Type 69. China was able to obtain a formula from another country, but nobody could solve and use it in China except one guy. This Chinese scientist was actually a deputy leader of some kind (a pretty high seat in the Krupp company, where most German tank guns are made). With his help, China managed to use the formula, that was needed to create such advanced gun at the time, which penetrated 250mm of armour without any problems.
Relations between China and the West warmed in the 1980s and China was able to import some Western technologies to improve its weapon systems. The Type 69 was upgraded with Western systems such as the British Marconi FCS and the L7 105mm gun. The new version received the designation of Type 79, which represented the conclusion of China’s first-generation tank development.
The simplicity, robustness and low cost of the tanks made them attractive on the export market and China sold hundreds to both sides during the Iran-Iraq War. Many of the vehicles were later used by Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War and the 2003 Iraq War.Its battle reports can be seen quite easily in English so I won’t talk about it here.
The 113 tank was requested by many of you guys. However, I am unable to find ANY reliable data about it. In my opinion, just like the 121, some existing documents are just not available, but 113 is definitely a medium and heavy hybrid, which was designed to share components with medium tanks to ease maintenance.
So I hope this was interesting to read. I am very busy recently so I may not write another article for a few weeks (not exactly sure yet). I am doing this since you guys have motivated me enough through a lot of positive recognition from the previous articles. Just know that, I have no personal first hand reliable data so there may be minor inaccuracies.
Final question, do you guys want to read about the epic story surrounding the capture of T-62?
(I have it written, just not sure if FTR wants it)
Thanks for reading.
Thanks for post, go ahead
will do
Yes, do want the story!
Oh and thanks for trying to find anything about 113!
I still have my doubts about it, I still think It’s SerB’s invention considering how Chinese abandoned the Heavy tank project, I just can’t imagine Chinese tank engineers returning to designing another heavy after WZ-111 and 112.
there is alot of parallel design groups so it may will be real but i dont think the modules are even thought about at early development.
Good work Tikka,
Interesting read. In fact it would be interesting to hear about the sunken T62 :)
ya, I just actually found some more info about how china got t-72m from romania
Well now this too sounds really interesting!!! Hope to see your posts soon.
I really wish i would know more about this :D
holy shit it is a very good story. W8 for it, it worth it ;)
Nice post SS
Please share the story about sunken T-62 as well.
Really interesting read.
I’d love to learn more about the capture of the T-62 as well.
:)
“…but 131 is definitely a medium and heavy hybrid…”
Something doesn’t add up. Don’t you mean 113? Or light and medium hybrid? Or is it a different 131 and not the WZ-131 we are familiar with from WoT?
I just don’t understand. Isn’t the 13x reffers to light, 12x to medium and 11x to heavy tanks (eg. WZ-111 heavy tank) in the Chinese tank development?
its another typo, I was really tired and bet you when I checked it, I was only reading the grammar problems not numbers. thanks will fix
yes !
> just not sure if FTR wants it
We want it. Trust me. Any cool tank stories (and some boring ones) are all fair game for this site.
LOL I am confident to write more after reading this 1
Very interesting! yea i would love to hear about that T-62. I bet it was some serious sht. Back then they didnt have internet to gather knowledge about everything.
:)
I’d like to read it as well.
Thanks for this interesting article and I’m waiting for the T-62 story. Keep up the good work!
thx
“With his help, China managed to use the formula, that was needed to create such advanced gun at the time, which penetrated 250mm of armour without any problems”
Was this the 60′s or the 70′s ? The penetration standard at the time was already well above 400 mm iirc. 250 seems a bit low for a smoothbore. What kind of ammo was it?
u will see
Yes post away please
Post it please
“The development was very slow because of the cultural Revolution (it’s one of the biggest failures”
From what i have read it was a remarkable succes for Mao since it was never intended as any kind of “cultural revolution”…
worst thing ever
“Final question, do you guys want to read about the epic story surrounding the capture of T-62?”
Yes please.
Good article, I found it pretty interesting, thanks for posting this.
Nice work
YES pls to the capture story
;D
Very nice articles! Interesting without getting tedious. More please! :)
:D
FTR has articles about model kits and toys, so YES, I welcome all tank stories!
Thanks for the as usual interesting read.
-cb99
Nice job. I for one would be much interested in that other story you mention. :-)
Post please!
Nice read, I like these articles. Please post the T-62 story!