Source: http://world-of-kwg.livejournal.com/274359.html
Hello everyone,
Storm recently made a post about the 8.11 FOV, asking players, how do they like it on test 2. I took two screenies to compare (although on my resolution – 1440 * 990 – it is not that much noticeable, you can see the FOV got a bit limited).
Live server:
Test server:
As far as I can tell, the camera was moved a bit to the front and the field of view is narrower. From the discussion:
- new 8.11 FOV is 90 degrees
- the old 8.11 FOV was actually different for each resolution
- during this week it will be decided whether 9.0 will bring TD camo nerf (SS: or rather, loss of camo bonus when shooting a gun) or not
- Storm states it’s normal for you to wait in a queue despite the queue being full of vehicles of your tier, according to MM rules you are supposed to end up in some cases on the bottom of the team, so for example if you wait in a tier 8 tank for a long time despite the queue being full of other tier 8′s, it’s because you are waiting for tier 9 and 10′s too
- apparently, the feedback towards the new T-54 and the new FOV was overwhelmingly negative on RU server
- +/-1 MM will definitely not come, “the game would become not interesting”
“Storm states it’s normal for you to wait in a queue despite the queue being full of vehicles of your tier, according to MM rules you are supposed to end up in some cases on the bottom of the team, so for example if you wait in a tier 8 tank for a long time despite the queue being full of other tier 8′s, it’s because you are waiting for tier 9 and 10′s too”
So the matches are “rigged”…
Lol, they aren’t rigged, but putting a match would be hard if every single battle, everyone had to be “top” of the tier and not bottom….
I don’t mind playing against t8,9 in a T7 tank but sometimes no matter how hard I tried, how much dmg i’ve dealt the team looses… I think those can be called rigged matches, or when a 3 man platoon basicly kills 10 tanks and the rest can’t hadle those 5s can be rigged… I mean most likely it is just bad luck, but saying it is rigged sounds better :)
Like how? It has long been known that you can spend only so many battles on the bottom of the team (and then the system puts you on top) and that the amount of battles you spread on top and on bottom is roughly equal.
Ignorance is a bliss I guess….
being low tier 10matches in a row,makes you think smth is not really good with MM
play T10 tanks… every game you’ll be top tier :D
Except the battles where everyone is top tier. :)
Like how? It has long been known that you can spend only so many battles on the bottom of the team (and then the system puts you on top) and that the amount of battles you spread on top and on bottom is roughly equal.
Is that a fact? Because I keep a record of the battle tiers I don’t get anywhere near an equal amount of top tier battles. It is nearer 20% Own tier – 38% +1 & 42% +2 (+2 = T5 tank in T7 battle etc) There are other players who keep a record too, and they also get a broadly similar tier balance to me. I have been trying to establish whether there is any mechanism in place to ensure that everyone has a fair spread of battles in their own as well as +1 & +2 tiers.
I have never been able to find anything which even mentions this subject, much less confirms there is supposed to be something in place to ensure we all get put in an equal amount of +2 battles, almost always with a team that doesn’t have any brains between them, which promotes the bottom tiers to the official rank of cannon fodder for noobs.
This is not true. On the US servers, 66% (2/3 games) of the time you are bottom tier save for tier 1, 2 and limited mm tanks.
Furthermore the tier ratio is generally skewed, where top tiers are dominant, while the lower tiers are fewer in number. This should not happen, and tiers should be more evenly spread in a game, with at least a ratio of 1:3 or less (i.e. 5 top tier tanks, 5 mid tier tanks, 5 bottom tier per side).
What we see now is 1:1 ratio or worse, meaning at least 7-8 top tier tanks and up to 10, and the remaining tanks being mid or bottom tier. Instances where a battle is made up of the same tier (all 10s, all 8s) should not happen. And they do.
It has been an issue for a very long time, now.
2 tier spread promotes gold spam, so for wg is fine because forces mediocre players to buy premium to keep the higher costs.
also it could be used to give free wins to bad players and keep them with +45% win rate altrough they dont do anything useful, because maybe a player with 20% win ratio would stop playing…
You are spot on . Is not about the game , its about the money . They try to force people to buy gold and at the same time give the less skilled players some victories ones in a while .
Greedy shits .
That’s just bullshit, WG is a company, that makes money from it’s games. As they’re free 2 play, the only way WG can make money is gold and premium time. If nobody buys gold/premium, there won’t be WoT. WG employees need to make money, and servers and all cost money. Saying they’re ”greedy shits” is just being credulous.
So what do you expect wargaming to do? Where do you think they are going to get their money from?
There is something called aiming as well BTW. You could say that having -/+2 forces the player to aim at weak spots or at the right targets and learn how to play the game properly.
Honestly what is wrong with wanting money?
You can by Gold for credits remember? And as long as you don’t buy gold like crazy and play like a complete moron you won’t get bankrupt.
On that note, I still can not get behind people who complain about the two teir spread. Being on the bottom of the teir forces you to change your play style, can’t hurt top teir tanks frontally?Then go after the lower teir tanks, spot, flank, wait for an oppertunity to attack the arty, hell, be an annoying gnat to an enemy tank while a friendly tank is engaging it.
I never had a crippling problem with being on the bottom of the teir, there is always something you can do to benefit the team that doesn’t involve you rofl-stomping lower teir tanks while you’re at the top of the food chain.
Hell, in a teir 3 light I’ve had an opportunity to perma track an AT-2 while another pea shooter was capping the enemy base.
You can play the game without spending a dime. FFS.
@Vixatious
Agreed. too many whiners need to uninstall and play a game that doesn’t make them mad.
@joyuesp
I love this game. and hardly even use Gold ammo. My favorite tank is M7. And I’ve done 1,600 damage in it once(I also did a fair amount of spotting damage that match). I’ve also taken out a T29 that never saw me. I continually tracked him and did 75 damage till he was dead. (I bet he was mad :P)
Most players think M7 is a useless piece of garbage it uses the 6-pdr 105 pen, 75 damage gun- and has no armour to speak of. Yet it can be used very well in tier 5-7 games. The point I’m trying to make here is, the matchups are perfectly fine.
Think I’m some uber who can play like magic? HECK NO. I’m horrible. Check my stats on noobmeter, I’m not that good. But I at least put SOME effort in learning how to play.
(My username is “Kauris” NOT Kauris Azurai) NA server Noobmeter.com check it.
Not some unicum uber player. just a normal non-whiner.
I, unlike some others, RELISH a challenge. Take away the two tier spread and the good, semi-good (and the non scrub sort-of competent like me) players have no challenge anymore. the game becomes too easy. Three-four tier spread is way too much, but -1 +1 is too little….
Please go to youtube and try to learn some. and get at least 6,000 battles before complaining. And If you’re past 6,000 battles and still don’t like it. maybe this ain’t the game for you pardna.
und what? take slow td. and pick up different target or change map sides.good luck. the problem with MM is not spread +-2, but I think the better you perform the lower you are. and etc. but what to do.we love tanks
- apparently, the feedback towards the new T-54 was overwhelmingly negative on RU server
Not big surprise.
They touched their toy… changes on T-54 are practically invisible, 80% of them wouldn’t notice that if they wouldn’t tell them.
PS: and wouldn’t move that wooden log to side…
- apparently, the feedback towards the new T-54 and the new FOV was overwhelmingly negative on RU server
thx for our brave russian commards as they are the only ones that can effect those who like to fuck up tanks while raising the flag of “historical” bla bla bla in a freaking childish game of mouse aim shoot….
“look they play a lot of T54, lets do something that will make them play other tanks”
FUCK YOU WG, FUCK YOU MOTHER FUCKERS I HATE YOU!
Aspergers is one hell of a syndrome.
Why offer an argument when you can go Ad Hominem ? Right ?
The game is arcade . Historical stuff argument is bullshit . Half the game is prototypes . Its all about the money for them ( WG ) . And indeed Aspergers is one hell of syndrome , it does not make the words of Zling any less true .
Step 1: Change the T-54 model
Step 2: Generate a shitstorm
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit
Someone just got mad :3
I’m calm like water :) I play my M4 and don’t care about tier8+ crappy tanks and idiots in RHM..
About the test server, I seem to not be able to find national battles, is it only me or is this normal?
I’ve played about 60 games on the test server this time around and had only one national battle. If you haven’t already check your settings, maybe they got disabled.
TBH you are not missing much the battles can get pretty silly, the one I had was 13 FV215b(183) + FV215b(120) + me in Cent Mk. 7 vs a bunch of 268′s and some meds plus 2 IS-7′s and they got stomped by the deathcannons.
Well, if we’re in to story time….
>taking tier 9 foch for a spin
>Dumped in to national battle
>Be the only tier 9, everybody else is tier X
>Enemy team is german
>5 WTs, 4 Jpants
>My team got 5 Fochs 155 and 7 BatChats
>TFW I wasn’t killed in the first 5 min.
>MFW it was the most boring match I played today
>15 min. of camping.
I admit, these battles are really odd..
They are enabled, and i even disabled the encounter and assault types but still nothing, i’ll just wait for the realease because right now they look very shitty too…
Normal, check the options if you got them turned on but even if, they seem to be quite rare, today i played around 20 battles and landed in a national battle 2-3 times.
The MM gap is most problematic when T4 tanks get into T6 battles I think.
With the KV-1S and SU-100 they can oneshot alot of tanks.
Tier 1 and 2 tanks get only +1 matchmaking. Maybe this could be extended to 3 and 4. AMX 40 in a tier 6 match is just cruel.
SS, didn’t you buy a new screen like a month ago? Because 1440 * 990 should be dead for quite some time now…
By that logic, anything under 4K should be dead
1280×1024 here on a 17” 4:3 flatscreen :P
1440x 900 here…
On a GTX 770 :D
better screen > better graphics/gpu
Totally oldschool 1024×768 here!
11 years old 17″ LG Flatron F700B monitor. (Google it out and try not to hit the floor when you see it.)
Deal with it. ;)
Uh, why? 1080p has been around a very long time and can be found for 100$ easily for a decent screen.
1440/1600 should have became the next standard, and were slowly increasing, now that 4k is out we’ll probably just see people jump to it, but it’s nowhere near cheap enough to be considered mainstream.
Yea, I bought a smaller one. I am used to it that way.
I can agree with the russians, the new FOV might be correct, but it seems really weird to me.
Yes, that new FOV sucks big time. Why players cant decide what kind FOV they like to play?? Really stupid idea :/
yes the new FOV is shit i hope when the patch goes live we can also choose the old FOV
A new fixed FOV is a lousy idea. A monitor’s screen ratio should determine the FOV. Some are 5:4, 16:10, 16:9 or 21:9. Mine is 21:9 (2560×1080) and fixing the FOV to 90 is going to make it look terrible at the edges. Everything will be stretched.
- Storm states it’s normal for you to wait in a queue despite the queue being full of vehicles of your tier, according to MM rules you are supposed to end up in some cases on the bottom of the team
In some cases? For me in around 80% of the cases…tier 6 is the most messed up.
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+/-1 MM will definitely not come, “the game would become not interesting”
Ehhhh?? It would actually be enjoyable, it gets pretty annoying being in a tier 6 getting thrown into a completely different range of tier 8 vehicles. The least they could do is make it not happen so often -.-
I think tier spread should be 1 until you get to tier 8, by then I think you can combat all tanks fairly well.
The people complain about +2/-2 MM because there is a huge imbalance with health points.
Tier 7+ vehicles do not have that much of a difference between health points though. Its mostly tier 4-6 tanks that suffer. Tier 7 tanks on average have twice (and some even 3 times) the amount of health than tier 5 tanks do and sometimes even tier 6 tanks. I doubt making it -/+ 1 would even help the health difference with tier 6 and 4 tanks since some tier 7 heavies have about twice the amount of health than tier 6 tanks and its the same situation with tier 4 and 5 tanks.
“- apparently, the feedback towards the new T-54 and the new FOV was overwhelmingly negative on RU server”
How terrible…
Seriously, stop complaining.
Are you complaining about people complaining>?
We must dig deeper!
TD camo nerf…
Sure, why not…
Every patch WG nerf the camo system….
Just keep going WG…
Just keep pushing your game to be a mindless, tacticless Hack&Slash crap.
Tomatos can play Hack&Slash… Tomatos pay well… Tomatos need to be satisfied…
Hack^&slash is still better than teams made out of 10TDs fighting other such teams, with nobody moving in fear of getting instagibbed on the spot.
But do you really think removing one of the main feature of TDs from the beginning of the game is a good idea?
It nerfs ALL TDs, even those that are already cr*p.
Why kill all TDs when just a few needs rebalancing?
- apparently, the feedback towards the new T-54 and the new FOV was overwhelmingly negative on RU server
No shit, they ruined the T-54”s good looks…
After all those years T-54 gets to look like it’s RL version and all of a sudden all goddamn russkies are mad about it. You don’t like T-54? Don’t play T-54.
ugh the new FOV is horrible. I play 3 screen eyefinity on screen res 3984X1024, and I swear it looks like you got your nose pressed up against the screen. horrible…
This nev FOV makes the game unplayable. The tanks feel much slow, about -10 km/h. It should be taken out, or at least they should be made turn offable.
+/-1 MM will definitely not come, “the game would become not interesting”
=not beneficial
Fov change is the second thing that really pissed me off (after luchs moved to tier4). i cant pull back the camera enough to see something behind me, it feels like when horses get that black stuff on their head which blocks their eyes to concentrate on other thing than the road.
Wg better not implement this, or it’s time to download camera mods.
Playing with FOV is a very old thing. Basically every FPS has reduced FOV on consoles compared to PC, because in this way they can increase fps (the frame per second one).
Maybe they chosen narrower FOV to make the upcoming “HD client” playable for more players.
Much prefer the bottom (live) FOV personally.
Narrower fov leads to seizures and motion sickness. It is a well documented medical condition, many people suffer from, hence FOV sliders in all respectable FPS games.
They could add a fov slider, if they really cared about it. But the simpler, elegant solutions aren’t WG’s forte.
Nevertheless, this begs the question, why screw around with stuff that does not need fixing?
FOV has absolutely no impact on FPS. Console games (typically last generation ones) have a narrower FOV because they only support TV resolutions (particularly number of horizontal pixels), on which they play. It is a non-issue because console games are generally played in a living room, far away from the screen, thus fitting well with the perspective of the eye.
This is not the case with PC games, where the distance between the player and the screen is about 40 centimeters or less (5 times shorter).
When the td nerf comes, I will take my bathtub to the front lines. He doesn’t move too well, so relocating will be a problem.