3.9.2014

- according to The_Chieftain from US forums, M56 Scorpion (US premium TD) was postponed to 9.5 or 9.6
- WoT Blitz for Android testing will start on 17.9.
- minimum require processor for Android: Mali-400MP, Adreno 320, PoweVR SGX544, Tegra 3 – 1200 MHz dualcore processor, 1GB of RAM
- the graphic settings in WoT will be extended to allow players to disable various elements (bloom and such)
- Cannoneer confirms that Mk.2 Chieftain will replace the FV215b (120). Its upper frontal plate is 85mm thick (under 72 degrees), apparently the (often cited) 120mm value of upper frontal plate is incorrect, it likely comes from the fact that the original Chieftain requirement was 120mm of armor under 60 degrees, while in reality the plate is thinner, but has better angle (SS: 275mm EFF)
- accidental suicide in the new suicide detection system will also apparently be a cause to flag your account with “unsportsmanlike conduct”

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  1. - Cannoneer confirms that Mk.2 Chieftain will replace the FV215b (120). Its upper frontal plate is 85mm thick (under 72 degrees), apparently the (often cited) 120mm value of upper frontal plate is incorrect, it likely comes from the fact that the original Chieftain requirement was 120mm of armor under 60 degrees, while in reality the plate is thinner, but has better angle (SS: 275mm EFF)

    Sooo almost autobounce angle? hmm, i think that could be acceptable.
    Whats about the turret?

    • Autobounce UFP does seem very good, especially with the gun depression it’s going to have, and the thick enough armor to not have too much overmatch bonus.

      Though I’m wondering about the turret too.
      If it’s weak, we’re going to have an oversized FV4202….

          • lol ya because arty should be able to pinpoint targets and hit targets on the run.

            Do you even have the slightest freaking clue what arty on battlefields actually does?

            You are dealing with arty in this game from the 40′s, 50′s and early 60′s, not today’s stick a guided shell through a window tech. Arty for the most part was lob a shell, have spotters say forward or back to where the shell landed to get more precise.

            They didn’t target 1 specific vehicle then continue to hit them with pin point accurate fire. Arty hits map coordinates and it’s Barrage fire. They hit a square on a map not individual targets.

            • Yes, cause multiple penetration hits, driving a tank in 3rd person view, perks and skills are soooooo real. Get over yourself, this is an arcade game and not a tank simulator.

    • For long range fighting, it’s auto-bounce. However if Chieftain close fighting, enemy’s gun depression will greatly reduce the effective angle, so no more bouncing. 85mm at 67 degrees is equivalent for 217mm only.

    • It’s not “almost autobounce angle”. If an AP/APCR shell impacts at an angle of 70° or more, then it is “autobounce”. Only after that is the normalization applied.

    • Its upper frontal plate is 85mm thick (under 72 degrees), apparently the (often cited) 120mm value of upper frontal plate is incorrect, it likely comes from the fact that the original Chieftain requirement was 120mm of armor under 60 degrees, while in reality the plate is thinner, but has better angle (SS: 275mm EFF)

    • The UFP data is allready stated. Will be very strong unless you manage to aim down on it.

      Did you mean the LFP? The lower glacis?
      That’s going to be absolute paper, and easily penetrable by anything it will face, so don’t show it!

      • 113 have about the same “very strong” 273mm equivalent (120@68) and outside few rare situations where you can increase glacis angle and still return fire its paper tank as everyone and their mom fire at you from above.

        • The 113′s glacis is on the wrong side of the auto-bounce limit, 70 degrees for AP after normalisation.

          With the Chieftain you can just use the 10 degrees of gun depression, til the tank back a bit, and you’re basically immune.

      • Exactly…don’t accidentally fall into the river on Erlenberg….or the lake on Lakeville…. or off the bridge on Westfield….or off the small little dip off the cliff while coming down the cliff on Severogorsk…. Come to think of it, I should just stop playing light tanks :-P (joking….)

      • It won’t be able to. If you are having internet problems, you will either have to fix it, stop playing, or get 0/0/0. Automated systems don’t discriminate, but they don’t collect paychecks either.

    • It takes at least three times (according to Storm iirc) for the system to start punishing you. Kinda works like the team damage system, there is a threshold u have to meet before you get penalised.

  2. The problem with an almost autobounce upper hull , that if a tank is shooting down on it then it’ll be paper

  3. - Cannoneer confirms that Mk.2 Chieftain will replace the FV215b (120). Its upper frontal plate is 85mm thick (under 72 degrees), apparently the (often cited) 120mm value of upper frontal plate is incorrect, it likely comes from the fact that the original Chieftain requirement was 120mm of armor under 60 degrees, while in reality the plate is thinner, but has better angle (SS: 275mm EFF)
    So this will be like the FV4202 (ricochet hull with soft turret)?

    • Turret should be stronk.. but I wouldn’t be surprised if feverish study of Chieftain armour with ultrasound thinometer reveals it is miraculously much weaker than it actually was historically due to lack of socialism.

  4. Will the action x also have a similar front hull? I mean it has to be better than 7/1 and fv too since so many whined on it?

    • It will be worse. FV42 has insanely good hull armor. You can bounce everything up to 122-130mm guns with it. I had plenty of times where a batchat face hugged me and bounced his entire clip on my upper front plate (probably didn’t knew to shoot turret). Even had 268 and Foch bounce shells frontally on my upper plate :)

      Action X will be a lot weaker, with better turret thou hopefully.

      • FV4202 is a fun tank to play, except for top speed, it just can’t go zoom zoom, but aside from that, it’s a great tank specially the recent buff, but apparently it’s buff glory will be shortlived because it will be replaced soon. At first I was excited, but action X might be worse than fv4202 pre-buff. I wonder how big is that action X.

      • Why do you need an invulnerable hull when you have a freaking paper turret…There is a tactic called “Hull-down”, but I haven’t heard of a tactic called “Turret-down” to help that paper turret.
        Only difference is that some pubbies have trouble shooting you.

        • Im sorry but you know, on longer ranges there is a chance that shots aimed at the turret go to the hull, and those will bounce. There is also a chance in the heat of a battle where if you move a lot the enemy has a hard time aiming at the turret, so he will just shoot the bigger mass = hull, and will bounce. I bounced more shots with my FV42 than with my T62. Its armor is fantastic, even the turret has a lot of super weird angles that deflect shells like crazy.

        • Turret-down would be poking your hard frontal plate out around a corner (hiding your front sprocket) at an auto bounce angle, waiting for the nub to bounce that, then poking your turret around the corner to take the shot.

          Like a vertical hull down, good for the E50s.

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  6. “Its upper frontal plate is 85mm thick (under 72 degrees), apparently the (often cited) 120mm value of upper frontal plate is incorrect, it likely comes from the fact that the original Chieftain requirement was 120mm of armor under 60 degrees, while in reality the plate is thinner, but has better angle (SS: 275mm EFF)”

    but wiki’s citation: “388 mm (15.3 in) on the glacis (from an actual thickness of 120 mm (4.7 in))” is true for UPF under 72 degrees (120/388 = sin 18 degs -> 72 UFP)

    who is lying?

    • if you want a real answer, check wiki sources. Do not take wiki for gospel as it is a summary of sources, not an actual source itself.

    • Well, the wiki source points to a man who had inside knowledge on the tank and was involved in multiple era time designs, supported by both the UK and US Mod and DoD, while being a renowned engineering professor.

      The 85mm estimation comes from a rusty old museum tank (A prototype at that) that a volunteer measured once or twice.

      Make your own call.

  7. “accidental suicide” – damn you WG!
    I liked long swims after team totally failed on all sides.. :D
    Apparently I need to man up – waste time waiting till enemy comes to kill me or enjoy 0 exps :D

    • Or you can drive bravely into a Maus or anything.
      You may end up with a Kamikaze medal instead of the shame of being unsportsmenlike.
      Thelma and Lewis are bad role models for tankers. ;)

  8. GG, Chieftain upper plate is impenetrable to AP/APCR on level ground, but becomes trash if you can aim down on it, and HEAT plows through easily because it only autobounces at like 85 degrees.

    • Don’t set your hopes too high – if you want sample of “autobouncing hull” go try 113 – it doesn’t work as tank itself is small unless you relegate 113 to 300m+ engagements on even ground. And as there was nice side by side photo of Leo1 and Chief, I suppose Chief will follow the same fate as 113 – it was IIRC about the same size as Leo1, so not that big (or tall) vehicle.

      • The difference is that Chieftain has good gun depression, so can poke over upward slopes increasing the UFP (or shoot over edges without showing LFP).

        It’s true that it is (relatively) weak on flat ground at close range, but you can’t have everything. I’m not too fond of sniper heavies (which I suppose Chieftain will be), but it is what it is.

  9. And what if my internet connection will be interupted and i cant enter back in game until the end of it, or i run our of power, or anything else that can interupt my game?
    I WILL BE PUNISHED???

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  11. “t likely comes from the fact that the original Chieftain requirement was 120mm of armor under 60 degrees, while in reality…”

    The fact that 90mm of frontal armour on LTTB were penciled over the original requirement “while in reality” the tank didn’t even exist in drawings didn’t stop WG from introducing it into the game. And the reasons? Who needs reasons when you have vodka.

  12. You people talk about Chieftain armor like it’s the holy grail. You have VK4502B getting some science fiction buff and complain about which one is right about armor wiki or WG. Who the fuck cares? if it underperforms it will get a 200mm LFP.

    • Actualy you take a bad example because WG is seriously considering the replacement of VK4502B because of its unhistorical state. (Maus at tier 9 and Maus II at tier 10).

  13. Chieftain design included a heavily sloped hull and turret which greatly increased the effective thickness of the frontal armour, 388 mm on the glacis (from an actual thickness of 120 mm), and 390 mm on the turret (from an actual thickness of 195 mm) It had a mantletless turret, in order to take full advantage of reclining the vehicle up to ten degrees in a hull-down position.

    Again WG lies!

    • From what I’ve been able to put together, WG is getting its armor measurements from a prototype, while the chieftain they plan on putting in the game is the Mk.2 (first production model and not a prototype). So while the armor values they’re getting very well could be accurate for the prototype they are measuring, it doesn’t add up with all the sources I’ve seen about the chieftain.

      WG are the only ones I’ve seen so far that claim these armor values, but if anyone has any sources that are not WG that claim the same about production model chieftains I would appreciate it.