6.2.2015

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- Storm confirms that the Mäuschen vehicle is historical, it was made based on this drawing
- the replacement of VK4502B with Mauschen will come “soon”
- VK4502 Ausf.B will not be made premium, it will be removed from the game, just like the FV215b (120)
- for now, there are no other replacement plans for the Maus branch
- for now, there are no plans to give Maus an alternative 150mm gun
- accuracy nerf being really bad for inaccurate fast tanks like the T49? “Wait for the aim circle to aim fully and you’ll be fine”
- the only accuracy change was the distribution of shells inside the center of the aim circle, the sigmas were not touched: it does NOT mean the shells will fall to the edges of the circle more often
- the accuracy nerf in 9.6 applies to both arty and premium vehicles
- Q: “The accuracy nerf is really bad for artillery!” A: “Do you often fire snap shots with arties? :)”

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      • t49 is irrelevant because if you wanna deal dmg with t49 you have to snipe at mid-range or circle around a tank with autoaim.

        but it is bad for b-c 155 58 :(

          • Oh, you mean the gun that either bounces or deals 30 damage, wherever you shoot and whatever the tank you shoot at?
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
            You funny guy.
            …not.

            The only gun that’s worth something is the 152 and it is already close to useless because of the unbearably huge aim time. Add to this the fact that this tank has 0 stabilization. The accuracy nerf will therefore kill this tank for good. I was eager to get this shit, thought i would troll in T10 battles but got extremely disappointed as this crap can’t land a shell in any circumstances. I don’t play it anymore and started grinding for the RU instead – most probably the only real good T8 light – until the T49 receives a serious buff (which is close to unlikely).

              • doesn’t change a thing for neither bad nor good players. This 90mm s*cks balls from A to Z, whatever the shells used. It would even s*ck at Tier 5…

  2. The accuracy nerf is really bad for artillery!” A: “Do you often fire snap shots with arties? :)”

    Lel, take this clickers.

    • Arty snapshot is IMO the worst BS currently ingame. This accuracy nerf won’t get rid of it, but I sure as fuck don’t mind arty nerfs no matter how small.

      • Most artillerist fully aim before firing. With more shots landing in the center of a fully aimed circle, tankers can expect to be on the receiving end of a lot more HE rounds. Given this accuracy “buff” to artillery and the forthcoming view range nerf, I can see a lot of td drivers switching to arty. Means a decline in the td population, but the days with a lot of battles with one arty per side or no SPG’s may soon be a thing of the past.

        • One last thought…

          I wonder how the 9.6 accuracy nerf will impact the users of the Battle Assistant mod given arty drivers’ propensity to fully aim before firing.

        • why HE? when the accuracy wil be better i have more reason to use AP to one shot….

        • There is. a certain case that most arty players fire withought fully aiming though.

          may be WG thinks arty shoud droun themself or just be a XP dispenser when a enemy tank comes point blank.

      • snaphots in arty used to be very good at lower tiers, where the reload is the same or less then aim time after moving. so a nerf for low tier, but buff for high tier arty.
        cgc approves.

  3. I would love to see 1 photo of this “real” tank… 1… the Germans LOVED to take photos of tanks and there should/would be at least 1 photo of it if it existed. I doubt it did.

  4. Looks like a buff for arty, nerf for tanks.
    since they reduced the amount of shoots “far” away from the center, and reduce the amount of shoots right in the center.
    If you want to be happy in 9.6, play arty with big splashs, you will be hiting every single time.

    • They reduced the amount of shots in the direct center, and did not touch the amount at the edges. The only thing they did was move some dead-center shots off-center. It does not buff anything.

  5. - Q: “The accuracy nerf is really bad for artillery!” A: “Do you often fire snap shots with arties? :)”

    Unfortunately yes when idiots leave a whole flank open to lights, e.g. random battles

    • If only arty player learn how to use the engine of their tank, they won’t find themself on an open flank

      • Wait! Do you mean that going alone in arty to open flank and spamming F7 isn’t a good strategy? But if I won’t die in the first 2 minutes I can’t call my team “noobs” and shout “PLS KILL ALL NOOB TEAM L2P GET CANCER!!!1″.

      • Have you ever driven artillery since the big nerf-series? With a very few exceptions, most behave like a Maus. You’d need to sense the total collapse of a flank way ahead of everyone else and you tunring away to run away in time might just make the total collapse happen even sooner.

        • That’s every baddies excuse. If you are any where to being a decent to competent arty player, predicting a falling flank and re positioning accordingly, is no challenge, in fact it’s just a reflective instinct. Baddies in arty should just shhh oki c:

          • That’s bullshit! In most cases it just doesn’t make sense to run with the arty. Even with a little headstart you WILL NOT win a race against a light tank that breaks through the line of idiots that usually comes with every random battle. So why not wait for the lights to come for you and maybe being able to fire one more shot which is better than running and being shot in your back without the chance of dealing anymore damage.

        • Don’t sweat Madner, this site is full of stupid arty haters that love to spill their shit around to compensate for their aching ass red from all the butthurt they receive. They are braindead enough to even realize that sincé thé huge nerf series arty has become really hard to play, that its mobility has been reduced by 70% and that the upcoming accuracy change won’t make its life any better in nO respect at all. These wankers are so pathetic, makes me sad every time I read this pile of hateful bullshit.

          • Actually, I will even consider to turn my ingame chat on again just for the pleasure of watching them break their keyboards every time I deal them 1.5k damage and sending them a proud “..!..” with all my love.

  6. Who remembers when each nation had their thing and the German thing was always catch fire and really accurate guns. Since then there has been an accuracy buff for all nations and now a nerf so much for German accuracy but at least German tanks don’t catch fire like they used to.

  7. - VK4502 Ausf.B will not be made premium,

    Shame, I think it could be a decent tier 7 premium tank.

    • Tier8 with a 105mm gun and pref MM. But being WG they would not cash in on this for reasons unknown.

      • As a premium it would be equipped with the 88 L/71, weigh and be armed like a Tiger II, armored like a Tiger I, and use the weaker rounded turret

        Are you sure that’s tier 8 material?

          • No. A proper regular tier 8 would be the vk045b with the same armor as the vk045a and a rear turret. Thats all. The vk045b should not in any way have more armor than the vk045a and even that one has more armor than the original designs. Vk045b is just rear turret and alternative hull thats all. Stop asking to have the “old” vk045b (which also was overbuffed in terms of armor) at tier 8 with pref MM. Stop asking for prem tanks that are better than regulars. V045b will either be alternative hull for vk045a with the same armor and guns, and/or a tier 8 premium with 8.8cm gun.

            • dude you must be reallly high old 4502B DOES NOT have good armour no one asked for pref MM that would be stupid 4502b originally has 120mm armour at front 70 at back probably something 100 at sides it was armed with 8.8 kwk 43L71 which jagdtiger 8.8 has the same gun speed was supposed to be 38 kmh with 670 engine which would have 11P/W

              Why WG doesnt want it? because no reason

              armour angled front would be 200EA UFP and 185 at LFP turret armour front would be 4502A’s stock turret

              there you go a balanced tier 8 4502B at its historical accuracy any problems?

              • Seriously the ausf B ingame-version is fake – as someone tried to explain it should be armored and armed like the ausf. A but with the turret positioned at the rear… That was the historical concept while trying to make better Tigers (IIRC)

    • It replaces to super unhistorically buffed tier 9 heavy VK4502B, Maus will remain. Please read comprehensively.

      • he means replace 4502B with Maus(making it 1 tier lower with same stuff would make it quite good tank but not OP) and bringing a new tier X for maus line

        seriously Maus at tier X is a lie it isnt diffrent than tier 9 tanks ST-I is more armoured than Maus for god sake

        they need to bring upgraded Maus which is historical

        “upgraded maus?” yes Maus originally had 2 turrets one of them was E100′s turret with more angle and 128 kwk L/61(WTE100 gun) mounted on it

        http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aciQT2Yu57U/UXQANUL4MMI/AAAAAAAAAFo/Wva3IjBK65Y/s1600/MausII.png

        • Maus less armored than sti? You can pen sti lower plate, sides, rear and side of turret with 200mm gun, good luck doing that with a maus. Stop beeing retarded, maus is fine as it is.

          • you dont even own a Maus its really obvious ST-I is hard to penetrate lower plate? Maus has a bigger fattier one rear and side of the turret? wtf do you think Maus doesnt have MBT style reactive armour

            go check your shit before you say something here at best Maus’ turret armour for sides are 340 effective(45 degree turret of course if you want to hide your giant front turret

            ST-I doesnt have fucked up turret armour ST-I doesnt have to hide his front turret it can fucking aim at its enemies without trying to evade shots

            get your facts right you dummy

        • Except that’s not going to happen. Maus will stay where it is. It’s also one of the few truly historical hightier german tanks, so hands off.

  9. - for now, there are no plans to give Maus an alternative 150mm gun

    They ought to… it was supposedly request by Hitler himself.

    Of course, if that’s the case, it just makes the argument to give the E-100 the Mausturm as an alternative as well… Would prefer it setup like this to be honest…

    E-100 + current + 128mm (stock)
    E-100 + Mausturm = upgrade
    150mm = upgrade gun, requires upgraded turret

    - accuracy nerf being really bad for inaccurate fast tanks like the T49? “Wait for the aim circle to aim fully and you’ll be fine”

    Dat T49 aim/reticle is absolutely horrid already – it’s just going to be even worse after the accuracy changes. Gotta love a wide-open reticle staying open for 3-4 seconds *before* it starts closing up.

    • E100 would be too OP having such a strong turret and a 150mm gun. They must also think about tier 8 and 9 when making balance otherwise lower tiers will just be cannon fodder and that is not right when there is 2 tier MM. Also other tanks having strong turret and hull have lower alpha like is7 and is4, not fucking 750 dmg.

      • E100 with maus turret = OP? wtf

        E100′s turret can hold against damn AP rounds of heavies and APCR rounds of meds at least

  10. The way I see it that this nerf is only arty nerf and mild sniper nerf. Because the way it will be, arty won’t be able to aim directly at the part of tank it wants to hit, but to aim at the tank as whole. Other than that not much will change.

  11. Meanwhile: Warthunder adds the Maus.

    PHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • I remember all the historical battles the MAUS participated in.

      So, Mock up turrets and unloaded guns?
      Simulator my ass.

      • *cough*Tiger B mit 10.5 cm*cough*

        Also didn’t one maus participate in the battle for berlin as a static pillbox of sorts?

    • are they seriously doing it? no one is going to penetrate and if gaijin wants to be realistic, tank will have 13 kmh speed

  12. Try sniping now with german guns at weakpoints like cupolas. Now you’re gonna have to use your sniper at close range, just like soviet heavies.

  13. So full of shit. Arty will suffer a lot. Generally, even when you fully aim (which is what you do with arty), chances of actually hitting the tank are not the best. And now, it will happen even more.
    I wouldn’t mind, I don’t really like playing arty, but of course we have the missions where we have to play the arty if we want to get all the rewards.

    • arty will not suffer why do you dummies quit reading ?

      shots will hit the center more when aimed and it will miss more when not aimed

      • NOWHERE does it say more shots will hit when fully aimed yet it does say more shots will go towards the outside of the aiming circle.

        • read the damn thread before this the one says about 0.9.6 accuracy changes

          oh wait you didnt? than fuck off

          • “Basically, the official reason for the nerf is that the tanks were too accurate (shooting too often to the center of aim circle) even when the AC was not fully aimed. Thus, the developers decided to separate the aim circle into 10 zones and each zone has a certain probability to have the shell land in it.”

            LOOK at the pic 9.5 vs 9.6, LOOK at the smallest circle meaning fully aimed, WAY LESS shots inside or even remotely close in 9.6 vs 9.5 so YES THEY ARE MORE INACCURATE EVEN WHEN FULLY AIMED.

            So have fun hitting weak spots even when fully aimed and a good player should ALWAYS be aiming for weak spots.

            • “In order to prevent the stuff above, the probability of hitting exactly the center (“bull’s eye”) was reduced from 16 percent to 10 percent, but the chance for the shell to fall into the adjacent zone to the bull’s eye increased by the same difference. This change will keep the accuracy for the accurate/fully aimed guns while reducing the accuracy of snap shots.” last picture at that thread shows the diffrence between snapshots and fully aimed shots

              of course you wouldnt even play the damn test server but hey lets throw shit at game because of what they said not what they are showing right?

          • They reduced the amount of shots in the direct center, and did not touch the amount at the edges. The only thing they did was move some dead-center shots off-center. It does not buff anything.

      • They reduced the amount of shots in the direct center, and did not touch the amount at the edges. The only thing they did was move some dead-center shots off-center. It does not buff anything.

  14. Mmm it would be nice to include the other VK.100.01 proposal as well, that was fitting for tier 8. Good all around armor, but no better than a KV-4, bulkier, with a bigger gun. It would be a good alternative to the Tiger II and could be an alternative to the VK 45.02A, not a replacement. Slow, well armored arty magnet, like the Mauschen, Maus, and Tiger P.

    • There are endless possbilities for tier 8 regarding the vk45a and vk45b they can both stay at tier 8 with the 10.5cm gun and also at tier 7 with 8.8cm guns and 80mm armor all around. The current tier 8 vk45a is based on historical upgrade proposals like higher armor and a 10.5cm gun. The vk45b can both be a tier 7 premium, tier 8 premium and tier 8 alternative hull. The best part is that the current vk45a on tier 8 is buffed according to historical “sane” proposals, the vk45b on tier 9 isnt. I like the vk45a it has good mobilty and decent gun and also decent armor to be fair, a good medium/heavy hybrid thanks to the thicker frontal armor. There is no point replacing the vk45x on tier 8 with something slow because tiger II is the slow, heavy, armored tank at tier 8 and even löwe for that part.

      There could be a third heavy german line I think, one that leads to E100 thru tiger 1 and tiger II, one to maus thru tiger P and vk45a, and one to tier 10 xxx thru tier 7 xxx and tier 8 vk100.01.

  15. So, as a tier IX, they replaced a buffed E-75 by a tank with Maus (tier X) armor and E-100 (tier X) gun… At tier IX…

    Is there any reason to get E-100 now that a tier IX has same gun and better armor ?
    And reason to get the Maus when you have it a tier lower with bigger gun ? (Oh yeah, more accurate and pen’ gun, that’s all).
    Also tier IX with tier X hitpoints…

    Uh, WG Logic…
    Cant wait to have it.

    And about the accuracy “nerf”…
    It isnt a nerf :/ Or it is for tanks that snapshot (finaly a nerf for soviet mediums).
    When you fully aim, it doesnt change as the aiming now. It would be even nicer if it increased when fully aimed at max, so the incoming Grille30 will be able to make everyone hate like they never hated :)

  16. - VK4502 Ausf.B will not be made premium, it will be removed from the game

    So no alternate hull for the VK4502 Ausf.A?

  17. Pros and Cons

    Pros:

    Excellent front, side, and rear armor (especially when angled coupled with the single-largest HP pool; layout works even better with sidescraping use
    It should be noted that the turret side armor is actually stronger than the turret frontal armor, so offering the side of the turret actually increases protection.
    Huge mass makes even small collisions with enemy tanks do decent damage and minimizes incoming ram damage
    Fairly low dispersion on the move and good depression/elevation
    One of the few tanks to see a marked improvement in HE protection from using spall liners

    Cons:

    Very poor total damage-per-minute, nobody fears you.
    Armor angling “only” creates arround 330mm of effective armor, which means that most tier 10 gold shells WILL penetrate you even at perfect angle. For a tank that sacrifices pretty much anything for raw armor, this is a disaster and the main reason for the maus lack of popularity ingame.
    Large size and poor reactive ability; cannot relocate well
    Relatively long aim time
    Without angling the less-thick armor can be defeated by most guns in its tier

    The words above is from WG itself Maus is UP(underpowered)

    i would like to point out that Maus has 1.9 DPM

    1750 hp
    Engine Power

    20/15 km/h
    Speed Limit

    15 deg/s
    Traverse

    9.26 hp/t
    Power/Wt Ratio

    200/185/160 mm
    Hull Armor

    240/210/210 mm
    Turret Armor

    AP/APCR/HE
    490/490/630 HP
    246/311/65 mm

    4.03 r/m
    Rate of Fire

    1974.7
    Damage Per Minute

    0.38 m
    Accuracy

    2.9 s
    Aim time

    16 deg/s
    Turret Traverse

    360°
    Gun Arc

    -8°/+24°
    Elevation Arc

    68 rounds
    Ammo Capacity

    if you have %70 W/L rate with 3k+ WN8 on Maus over 2k battles you are a professional gold spammer

    i saw someone with 10k maus battles was in one of circon’s videos if you want to check it out

    • Why would gold increase your dmg anyways? 246mm pen is enough to pen anything you encounter and since you are slow and have armor you have time to aim more precise, specialy for weakspots.

      • dude stay away from commenting on stuff you dont even play alright? fuck off just walk away half the shit you say doesnt even make sense

      • i m going to answer the shit you said so you dont come back and try to say some unlogical stuff

        -gold ammo has better penetration as always Maus as you can see has
        0.38 m
        Accuracy 2.9 s
        Aim time

        -why use gold ammo? because the moment you turn your turret around they will shot at it and there you go your 3k hp is now 1.1k maus’ turret has 240 mm protection at cheeks and it has flat surfaces on both sides shot to there and %100 guaranteed penetration for 250+ pen guns which most of the tier X and tier IX elite guns are

        -2.9 aim time will not let you aim weak spots fast enough useing APCR will remove that effect

        “FUCK YOUR FACTS” you might say that but Maus is the worst tier X ever by WN8 rating, DPM, penetration(fired at enemy) and damage ratio(which is the most important thing at fight)

        seriously 1.9 k DPM at tier X?

        alright you can point out that others doesnt have much too
        Tank Name at best DPM/DPM with gun assumed loaded
        Maus at best 2.4k / 2.8k
        E100 at best 2.9k /3.6k
        IS-7 at best 2.7k / 3k
        T110E5 at best 3k / 3.5k
        113 at best 3k / 3.5k
        FV 215b at best 3.5k / 4k
        ( i dont even understand why they are replacing this tank)

        Did you know that Maus is even worse than arty at WN7?

        • Then that person lacks positioning. Having to use gold ammo with 246mm pen is just lazyness and pure bullshit. Now with the accuracy changes proper aiming will be even more important. Maus is slow and has armor and HP, aiming proper and plan your battle shouldnt be an issue.

          If you place yourself in a situation where you get penned by alot of tanks while turning your turret you are alreaddy outplayed and nothing wuill save you. That extra 1-2 shots you make before you die wont have any impact.

          Then again you are a 49% er who also just happen to have barely 1300 avr dmg in löwe and whopping 1888 avr dmg in is7. Sorry but I heavily suspect your skill is not even close to make judgements on what tanks are good or bad. You are a yellow player by the way and shoult stay away from tier 10 and not even comment on tier 10 vehicles.

          If you play a tank and “have” to rely on the pen and aim time you are doing it wrong, you should have such good positioning that these balancing factors shouldnt not become an issue and its up to you to figure that out. Maus is not balanced to just “turn the turret while beeing outplayed and snapshot enemies”.

          Im not saying maus is the best tier 10 but I dont see any apparent issue with it. And it is funny you complain about beeing penned, yet wanting to use gold ammo against others and neglect their armor. Nice logic kid.

          • “Then that person lacks positioning. Having to use gold ammo with 246mm pen is just lazyness and pure bullshit. Now with the accuracy changes proper aiming will be even more important. Maus is slow and has armor and HP, aiming proper and plan your battle shouldnt be an issue.”

            -at your best battle wou will face with only heavy tanks which all has over 250 penetration turn your turret once and it will be filled with holes

            “If you place yourself in a situation where you get penned by alot of tanks while turning your turret you are alreaddy outplayed and nothing wuill save you. That extra 1-2 shots you make before you die wont have any impact.”

            -that situation you are saying is what Maus player’s everyday situation that is why the tank here for to take shots so others dont

            “Then again you are a 49% er who also just happen to have barely 1300 avr dmg in löwe and whopping 1888 avr dmg in is7. Sorry but I heavily suspect your skill is not even close to make judgements on what tanks are good or bad. You are a yellow player by the way and shoult stay away from tier 10 and not even comment on tier 10 vehicles.”

            -and you are a coward dumbass that doesnt know i am better than %65 of wot player base and i can use my tanks very well i didnt care about how i was playing until i bought löwe and played with it 400-500 battles after seeing how bad i was i pulled myself out of garbage why dont people like you ever care about growth of stats and focus on how they are now this dumb guy hahahah

            “If you play a tank and “have” to rely on the pen and aim time you are doing it wrong, you should have such good positioning that these balancing factors shouldnt not become an issue and its up to you to figure that out. Maus is not balanced to just “turn the turret while beeing outplayed and snapshot enemies”.”

            -you have never played maus it is really obvious go ahead check the forums you can find %80 of people thinking maus needs buff oh you dont want to? oh pitty poor coward guy that is afraid of his stats hmmm
            tell me how to play my maus please without you owning one go ahead it amuses me

            “m not saying maus is the best tier 10 but I dont see any apparent issue with it. And it is funny you complain about beeing penned, yet wanting to use gold ammo against others and neglect their armor. Nice logic kid.”

            -since you believe in stats so much try vbaddict see how maus is doing by WN8 WN7 damage ratio and stuff it is the worst tier X
            and again go check the forums there are unicums with their 2.5k+ WN8s saying this tank needs buff since you believe in your lovely stat meter why dont you say them they are wrong oh wait you cant because you are a coward tomato that thinks his stats is better

            -oh one last thing i am not a kid unlike you and i m not 12 years old like you calling others kid on internet is something a 12 year old would do you arent out of chlidhood yet stay there and stop thinking saying kid on internet will make you older it will just show your age isnt off the clock

            btw i m 24 years old university student that has to deal with your bullshit now back off and come back here with your “FACTS” because you blaming me benig a bad player with “yellow” stats and now believing in Maus’ stats on vbaddict is just funny

            • Forget about the stats about maus and what other say about it. The general players in wot are kinda stupid and want buffs for everything but that doesnt freaking work since that would turn the tanks into pubbie monsters and that would totally break the balance, just like the vk45b did and now this mauschen, learn to realise that. And I am perfectly right about what I say you are a bad player and I dont care that you are better than 65% of all wot players that dont say anything because the skill floor is so fucking low in wot.

              I dont play the maus but I play the tiger II which also often get accused of beeing “one of the worst heavys at tier 8″, but I still like it and do excellent in it because I know what and what not to do. I dont rely on the tank stats to make dmg, I rely on positioning. And that is why I was saying that there is no excuse to use gold rounds because you have “bad aim time and pen”. You should play to not made these tanks stats an issue, and if they are an issue you have been outplayed.

              And fuck those unicums, who say that they know best and are experts at balance? They dont know shit about game balance otherwise they wouldnt play T57 heavys filled with gold and E100 with gold ammo. Learn to use your own mind and care less about what scrubs abd unicums say. In terms of tanks that should be buffed, the playerbase dont know shit and the game would be broken if WG would listen do them. You will realise that once you manage to perform good in tanks that are so called “weak”. Not all tanks are for everybody.

              Maus has pretty good overall WR, overall dmg may be low but that is because maus is not a main dmg dealer to beginn with.

  18. “Do you often fire snap shots with arties? :)”

    actually, i do with the french arties, and i hit on the spot quite often

    this is a serious nerf to artillery, which of course will not be noticed by all the artillery haters

    • Not sure if it’s really serious enough, I don’t play arty anyways so… stop clicking if you think it’s overnerfed?

  19. - the only accuracy change was the distribution of shells inside the center of the aim circle, the sigmas were not touched: it does NOT mean the shells will fall to the edges of the circle more often

    Artillery calls you out on your lie