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19.6.2013

Today’s issue is “interesting”. Basically, what happened: a flood of artywhiners, moaning about arty nerfs started spamming the developer thread and SerB switched to troll mode, as he usually does. Well… you’ll see.

- red screen of death is apparently back for 0.8.6, happens allegedly in sniper mode, the new detail reduction system automatically sets everything to minimum and then crashes. SerB’s answer: “Write a support ticket”
- the shell prices were rebalanced not only based on their damage and penetration, but also based on the type of the gun they are used in. That’s why the (weaker) premium KV-5 shells are more expensive than (stronger) premium KV-4 subcaliber shells.
- devs don’t think the tier 8 premium vehicles with limited MM will suffer from the tier 9 arty (too much)
- further measures to reduce arty amount (SS: RU server reports the same 5v5 arty battles as before)? “If necessery”
- currently it can be assumed, that tier 10 arty is balanced towards tier 10 tanks
- Q: “All the guns now have basically the same accuracy!” (SS: common complain is that the guns are too accurate) A: “How terrible…”
- Q: “Too many fires caused by accurate guns!” A: “How terrible…”
- Q: “Mods not working!” A: “How terrible…”
- Q: “Priest moved to another tier, wtf?” A: “How terrible…” (SS: this question was even in rhymes :) )
- Q: “The amount of arties did not get lower…” A: “How terrible…”

Well, basically, “How terrible…” was the answer on most complaints about 0.8.6. There is a lot of whine, including “hidden arty buff”. Some exchanges are actually really funny:

Player Vesil: “I am quitting the game!” SerB: “How terrible…”
Player Vesil: “You don’t have much of a vocabulary” SerB: “How terrible…”
Player LordStuped: “Do you have to make fun of players, who don’t like the patch?” SerB: “How terrible…”

- Q: “FPS dropped significantly…” A: “How terrible…”

(later, when asked whether he doesn’t respect players, SerB states: “It is necessery to distinguish players and idiots. Those are two (unfortunately still somewhat overlapping) categories. We do respect players, but with idiots it’s not that simple. This (thread trollflood) happens regularily – idiots come here and the thread topic is temporarily exhausted (SS: as in out of order)”)

- ingame penetration indicator works automatically, there is no need to manually adjust values for it
- dynamic camera is apparently fine: “you can turn it off (if you want to)”
- Q: “Why did you decide not to implement the British arty with autoloader?” A: “Beause the arty doesn’t come in this patch.” (SS: not sure what SerB exactly means, probably just a brushoff, either way, the British arty with autoloaders doesn’t appear in the leaked British arty branch)
- it’s possible there will be various sound settings for 2.0, 2.1 and 5.1 sound
- when near tank corpses, jerking of the aim circle left and right is likely the effect of dynamic camera
- 8.7 will be a simple patch, containing apparently only content (vehicles,maps), not functional changes. SerB confirms 8.7 will bring British arty.
- developers won’t be able to judge the effect of 8.6, when 8.7 comes out (SS: meaning it will come soon), the results will most likely be known in 8.8 tho (SS: later, Storm stated that it takes roughly a month to collect the date, it’s therefore logical to assume that the British arty will come within the month)
- the average battle duration is cca 7 minutes and it practically hasn’t changed since the game came out
- developers are considering the implementation of T58 (T57 Heavy with a 155mm gun) – not as a CW reward vehicle, but apparently as a regular one – but SerB states that it’s hard to balance (as in, overpowered)
- shell ejector animation might be added, “when it’s done it’s done”
- Q: “I went thru the thread, not enough concrete answers, just ridicule…” A: “I went thru the thread, not enough concrete questions. How terrible…”
- SerB explains his attitude towards forum whiners: out of all the active players (those who play once per month), only 1/10000 are whiners, who try to pretend to be the “voice of the nation”. SerB finds that amusing.
- Westfield map was changed (SS: not sure I know how exactly, something about the sloped access from the village near the bridge towards the left base being removed), it was intentional
- the game is changed in big patches (rather then series of small minipatches), because: “That’s the general speed of development. The project is complicated, any changes must be accompanied by serious program testing. That’s not possible when doing frequent minipatches.”
- it’s possible the possibility to sell Superpershing for gold will come even after 8.7 – it’s necessery to implement the mechanism for that first. “It’s not a complicated mechanism, but as this matter concerns money, it will have to be tested thoroughly.”
- SerB on arty: “It was created to limit the heavies and especially heavily armored tank destroyers. The changes were designed to reduce arty effectivity against fast vehicles, while keeping the “heavy tank killer” function.”
- SerB doesn’t think the shell distribution within the aim circle will change further
- current maps being developed are mostly based on exotic regions, so that Clanwars maps can use those. Future maps will be more traditional, such as a “USSR city in winter” (this is an example)
- there are still issues with making the friendlist and ignorelist longer, when it comes to easy ignorelist cleaning, the developers are waiting for the new reworked chat, they don’t want any temporary solutions
- 0.8.6 contains no “hidden” changes in engine fire mechanism
- SerB states that FCM50t is doing fine in 0.8.6, players just need to play it properly – as a medium, not as a heavy, it’s sort of “anti-Superpershing”
- there will be no “spring” special camo implemented
- there will be no “art of war” competition for arty, because the devs want to nerf it, not make players play it more
- it’s unlikely that second German TD line will come in upcoming patches, but it will most likely come before the Chinese arty
- MM mechanism itself did not change in 0.8.6
- the exact percentual effect of the camo net will not be disclosed (it’s not confirmed 0.8.6 camo net gives a 25 percent bonus)
- Storm is working on new camo system description article
- it’s not possible to make the dynamic camera not-optional, because that would mean transferring the camera calculations to the server. If it becomes possible, the camera will become compulsory.
- whether your ammorack is full of shells or not (whether you loaded all the shells) has no effect on tank characteristics (doesn’t limit movement like the weight does). This is intentional, so that people wouldn’t go into battle with only a few shells and then screw their team by running around with no ammo
- it’s possible that one of the upcoming patches will contain something to improve the account security (no details yet)
- worldoftanks.ru portal is visited by less than 1 percent of active players
- the gold consumables for 1/2 price can also an experiment (SS: which probably means that if it is successful enough, it will stay)
- functions inspired by some mods will continue to be added, if the mods don’t break the game that is
- further tier9/10 arty nerfs? “If necessery. We decide, what is necessery.”
- devs don’t consider the French premium arty (LeFH) to be directly nerfed, it won’t be possible to sell it for gold – as for mechanism changes (such as accuracy for arties, or the lower 105mm HEAT penetration), those affect more vehicles than just the LeFH, that’s why they are not considered direct nerfs
- Storm states that the sounds of impact were even more “bland” in real life, it’s not like the tank was supposed to “ring” like a bell
- the mechanism of bush camo was not changed from 0.8.5
- no rebalances of light tanks (in connection with the new tier 9/10 arties) are planned
- the E-100 turret moving, that was deemed “too much” earlier will be eventually revisited, but it has very, very low priority
- in 0.8.6, second ricochet of a shell is still impossible
- the developers are tracking the effect of various game changes on the amount of people buying gold
- apparently, there was a second Superpershing historical variant, but the developers decided to implement the one, which they had more data on
- the loader perk Adrenaline Rush 10 percent HP threshold won’t be increased
- according to SerB, the fact that the tank disappears one second after it is lit up can happen, it’s neither a bug, nor a change in 0.8.6
- the “tasks” on test server (SS: you know, the thing where you did recieve ridiculously high rewards for god knows what) was just an experiment
- apparently, voting (about WG matters) in the game won’t be implemented
- the ability to freeze accounts (including the run of premium account, “vacation mode”) will not be available anytime soon – and if it comes in the future, it will be very limited. Freezing only the premium time without freezing the account itself is not even considered
- currently, multi-level water (SS: as in, lakes at various heights, cascades etc.) is technically possible, but it won’t come soon
- Black Prince armor wasn’t changed in 0.8.6
- Storm states that when it comes to vehicle balance and gameplay, the “rock-paper-scissors” principle still remains, just that there are two triangles now (HT-MT-TD and HT-arty-LT) and some of the vehicles are not as firmly belonging to one group as two years before
- developers are aware of the various fan-made trees, they have been corresponding with some sensible discussion participants from the threads dedicated to these fan-made trees. On this, SerB states that players in general have little authentic info on Japanese tech
- Murazor’s (SS: a popular WoT Russian blogger) opinion is apparently not more important to devs than the opinions of other players (SS: parallels can be drawn here with SOME EU/US players, who think they influence WG at every step)
- the “sell this tank for gold” function will be available only in very limited cases when the vehicle characteristics will change significantly, definitely not a standard option
- the top Conqueror turret is balanced as it is apparently (SS: a player was complaining that it is actually worse than the stock turret in some aspects, SerB stated that one has to take into account the armor slope and the fact it can carry a more powerful gun)
- Soviet D-5T-85BM has 10 ROF on T-34/85, 11,11 ROF on T-43 and 10,53 ROF on T-44, apparently this is intentional
- SerB states that skill MM based on some statistics (doesn’t matter what statistics) is technically possible (SS: it will not happen)
- “expert” medals (SS: not sure how they are called in english, master?) do not take premium tanks into account, because some premium tanks are practically impossible to meet in randoms
- the 0.8.6 premium shells for the Konisch gun were “sold” automatically during the patch implementation, because the developers wanted to nerf them, added them to the automatic sell list and in the end didn’t nerf them after all
- open-topped vehicles have better viewrange than other vehicles of their class (!)
- some idiot made a video with him using illegal mods and posted it in the developer thread. Made SerB happy, apparently
- SerB states that as far as he knows, the side mesh screens on Panzer IV Schmalturm do not work as spaced armor, it’s possible they will be added, when all the models will are reworked

71 thoughts on “19.6.2013

  1. So far have anyone else noticed T92 lost its 704hp engine for 500hp… which makes… less than 9hp/t …. and it is quite barely moving tank in comparison to what it was…. If you can find anything, just make note on it if you encounter… I’d like to see did anyone notice it as I hell of did… even that the tank I have is like… barely played… I would think someone to take note and write on Q&A to ask about it, it is big mistake and should be noted by RU too…

    • It was noticed even on PTS and it was intentional. Im still waiting to see the whine flood once EU forum is back up. I did 10 games in the GW Tiger unlocked GW E 100 and two things were clear – the lemmings will suffer hard from arty as the aim time is the biggest problem so you pre aim and own. Second thing is the Bat Chat 155 55(tier 9) is massively OP to other arty even the tier 10 Bat Chat.

      • For Balance reasons?? Hard to believe without solid black and white…. Moving this arty is pretty much pain if not for better ground resistances even G.W. E-100 would be faster…

    • Now T92 is inferior to GW E-100 in practically every aspect. Great.
      My only top tier vehicle ruined :(

        • +1

          Die arty, die!

          :D
          (btw: this is intetntional as hell I think: it finally achieves what they wanted to do, as to reduce players playing high tier arty)

  2. If I am honest, SerB should not answer the questions with “how terrible…” !!
    It seems as Serb isnt interested in what the Players say, he ignores them!
    THAT IS TERRIBLE!!!

    • Nope he doesnt ignore the players, he ignores the idiots / whiners / braindeads / conspiracy theorists call them what u want :P

    • However, some questions are just stupid and others they have been answering since beta. I can’t believe how often people asks the same questions seemingly constantly.

    • No developer would revert changes right after their relase because of forum whining. SerB says what most of developers think without PR talk.

      • Yeah, you gotta give him that. He gives us shit, while other developers would give us sugar-coated shit in a fancy wrapper. Though he’s still a subhuman, uncultured wretch.

  3. (SS: parallels can be drawn here with SOME EU/US players, who think they influence WG at every step)

    You wound me, SS =(

    =P

  4. 2nd German TD line should come before Chinese SPGs

    Jesus Christ I would hope so. Does that imply that the German TD line WON’T come before the Chinese TD line, or was SerB referring to Chinese SPGs and TDs collectively?

    • I’m pretty sure the 2nd German TD line will be a massive disappointment.

      • of course it will… all the siemamoinmoin players /red barons/”Noobs” are expecting to get superüberpanzers and than realize that the 2 german TD line only includes balanced tanks…

        • Who’s we? U and ur imaginary friends?
          Noobs stop thinking that UR opinion is the one of everyone else…

          • You truly believe the majority of players care about, or want, more artillery choices? Oh wait….. that’s just what my imaginary friends and I need.

  5. >>This (thread trollflood) happens regularily – idiots come here and the thread topic is temporarily exhausted (SS: as in out of order)”)

    “derailed” – that’s the word to describe this ;) .

    • I have a decent w/r in my Super P, but I’m selling it even if they buff it. It’s just a giant slow moving target for arty. Sad really, but the hp/ton is pretty historical. How the U.S. Army considered it a medium with that speed is beyond me.

    • My thoughts exactly. There were rumours posted here on FTR with 200 penetration on its gun. That would be awesome! :)

  6. - the E-100 turret moving, that was deemed “too much” earlier will be eventually revisited, but it has very, very low priority

    I knew it…
    I posted my thoughts on this blog how they will react on this.
    So i guess we habe to wait at least a year before they will fix this (minor) over nerf.

  7. T58? please use it as t110e4 replacement, or at least that conceptional H2 tank destroyer, just for the sake of historical accuracy (man i never thought i’d say something like this, but the t110e4 pisses me off, not stat wise though, but a completely made up tier X? come on.)

  8. Not just t92 lost its bigger engine. Look for gwpanther…pretty useless now.

    • Yea, cause GWP was too OP with his super engine and his suber uber top speed. But on the other hand those fucking french fag arties are driven by bloody Flash Gordon and apparently they are fine.

  9. “- Soviet D-5T-85BM has 10 ROF on T-34/85, 11,11 ROF on T-43 and 10,53 ROF on T-44, apparently this is intentional”

    Did they give a reason why?

    • Not really. Probably because it’s “historical”. Personally, I guess it has something to do with how cramped the T-44 turret is, but who knows.

      • I doubt that’s the case. If this were true, the B1 would have about half to 1/3rd the rate of fire it does ingame. Same for tanks like the T-34, etc.

        Unless it’s WG just picking and choosing which historically accurate parts to implement.

      • And yet the “spacious” Maus shoots slow compared to others. I’ll never understand WG’s inconsistency.

        • You need to actually see what the turret interior of Maus was like. It’s even more cramped than Tiger II.

      • I’d go ahead and say that the t43 turret is even more cramped (sure it’s “taller” but the area seems a lot smaller), and then again – you have loads of tanks with huge turrets that don’t really fire pretty fast, even if try to think about the size of the gun inside the turret. Try comparing the 12.8cm maus-gun, deffinitely more space in the Mausturm, but the e-100 get more RoF (sure, balance reasons – but the turret argument seems invalid here).
        Or the e5 and 215b turrets (e5 gets a little more space – brit gets the RoF).

        I’d just go with the balancing of the gold shell-dps (despite serb saying a few times that gold pen isn’t taken into account when balancing a gun/tank).

    • I guess i should say this so…
      My thoughts on the RoF basically come from the free gold that you can buy – of the gun had like 12-13 RoF (which would be plain “logic”) it wouldn’t really need the LB-1 gun. Kinda like i leveled my black-prince with the stock gun filling it to the brim with gold shells. Sure it isn’t cheep – but in that case the higher RoF compensated for everything else, it might make the same picture here.

    • The truth is that the T-43 is a different tank T-34 and T-44 is an evolution of the T-34. Even the T-43 is older than the T-34-85. So it is quite possible that historically is correct.

  10. - SerB explains his attitude towards forum whiners: out of all the active players (those who play once per month), only 1/10000 are whiners, who try to pretend to be the “voice of the nation”. SerB finds that amusing.

    I saw many normal questions where he answered the same as to stupid/trollish ones. Yes i can imagine how it is to be spammed every day by thousands of dumb questions, request and what not, but being ignorant and arrogant cunt to normal players who asks totally normal questions is what i can’t stand about SerBofag..

    • Example of a “normal” question that any player would a brain would not have already known of?

      • So if theses questions in your point of view aren ‘ t “normal” questions (pure troll/stupid minded questions) why does wg still bother answering them and it why are YOU reading them?

        I thought you know already everything, so no need for reading, right?
        Maybe you should assist Serb.

        • If you call repeating “how terrible” phrase answering questions then i really don’t have intentions going into further disscusion with you.

          • Oh i think you missunderstood me. I am on your side.

            My point of view is the same as yours and i wanted to critizie Daigensui’s point of view and attitude.

            His statements leads (at least for me) to the assumption, that all questions to Wargaming are asked by stupid/noobs/trolls.

            And i think that serb is too much trolling or just too lazy to write good answers.
            But i got used to it. But it’s the small things that summarize it for me to get dissatisfied with wargaming.

            They even dont ‘ get it to fixed to overhoul the e100s turret, which they’ve moved too mucht to the front. Even though they know this since 8.6 testserver 1 they wont don anything about it. (“ventually revisited, but it has very, very low priorit”).

            I think it’s just wargamings general attitude towards work. They do what they wan’t to do(which can be good) and if things aren’t easy/enjoyable or they don’t feel like doing sth. they just won’t do it. Even if it takes just 5 minutes to do sth.

          • You have to actually read the amount of stupidity in the RU thread to understand what I’m getting at.

    • Most of the questions that he trolls back are either plain retarded (omfg guns have the same accuracy..when they DO NOT) or some old shit that got answered 2-3 times before, you just need to be smart enough to use the search function.
      And even setting that aside – most players don’t even show some basic respect when asking this stuff, kinda like “hey you shitface why the fuck didn’t the amount of arties drop”.
      And saying even this – i still haven’t seen some really adequate and interesting questions there, even if you don’t KNOW the answer you can GUESS if you think about it.
      So i second daigensui on the “example” part.

      • Have you even bothered playing the game today after 8.6 hits the live server? Yes, guns do have different accuracy…ON PAPER….My Tetrarch in T2 was alreay a beast with it’s gun and now it can even snipe like a boss…..size of an aiming circle is the only difference in accuracy, but it doesn’t matter since most of the shots go near the center or dead center…so it was totally legit question and not retarded..Don’t get me wrong…i personally love the more accurate guns, but tbh it’s wrong and ruins the balance by a lot……Sniping with 0,45 accuracy gun is pure bullshit and his answer is “how terrible” Give me a fucking break and start acting like an adult and not like a spolied kid…

        • Yup, played around 20 battles – the 215b is as accurate is it was, so is the e-100, the 215b183 barely got buffed, the lowe didn’t get buffed at all.
          The only real difference that i see right now – my bat.chat 25t can actually snipe more than 2 shots out of every group.
          So yes – the question is retarded, every new patch on live shitloads of kids go out there and start whining instead of actually trying to see the difference – my worst guns (15cm on e-100 and 183mm on the brit) barely got buffed. I already had 85% (actually 86%, but it started falling) accuracy on my e-100 for 1.1k+ battles, so i don’t see any sort of buff, don’t remember my FV183 accuracy – but it was worse and it doesn’t get better.
          So i’m still waiting for a “normal” question as-is…

  11. >> – the 0.8.6 premium shells for the Konisch gun were “sold” automatically during the patch implementation, because the developers wanted to nerf them, added them to the automatic sell list and in the end didn’t nerf them after all

    WHAT?!? Arrrrggghhh!!! WG, !@#$

    I had some shells stocked previously and i stocked more yesterday. I just sent a support ticket, let’s wait for an answer…

    • Let us know what they answer :)
      Did they sell it for the purchaseprice or for half of the purchase price? (I can’t tell because I have no idea of how many gold I had 2 days ago)
      Where did all my heat ammo go? ….

  12. - “expert” medals (SS: not sure how they are called in english, master?) do not take premium tanks into account,

    u mean master tanker right ?

  13. Well, played 8,6 patch….

    And im listening to funeral music. Seems fitting at the given time.

    Well, the future of WOT isnt bright from the looks of it.

    It seems to fall deeper and deeper in to the pool if crap…

    And whiners, instead of giving it a hand, throw bricks at it.

    • It seems to fall deeper and deeper in to the pool of crap…*

      Fixed grammar

    • Unfortunately, it’s hard to fall from that high. They have at least half a year before they stop milking that cow and trolling gamers and get themselves to work to please playerbase.

  14. - Murazor’s (SS: a popular WoT Russian blogger) opinion is apparently not more important to devs than the opinions of other players (SS: parallels can be drawn here with SOME EU/US players, who think they influence WG at every step)

    talking about yourself?

  15. I’m not a big arty fan, just an occasional arty player. And I must say, that my newly “rebalanced” M41 sucks hard. After 6 battles I had about 20% hit ratio and it was just boring as fuck. Half year long reloading, then you wait for reticle to stop shrinking (still it’s over half of my monitor), FIRE…. and…. MISS!!!! This rebalance beat the crap out of SPGs, very harsh patch for arties, wich were not that easy to play, as all the arty whiners think and now it’s even worse. Quite a sad story from my point of view.

    • I actually thought the M41 didn’t get nerfed too hard, considering it went from a Tier 7 MM weight to a Tier 5. My Su-14 stayed at the same weight and the nerf-bat HURT. It’s the aim time that’s killing me. More than twice as long to aim, and it’s still less accurate than before after that 10-12 seconds.

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  17. “developers are considering the implementation of T58 (T57 Heavy with a 155mm gun) – not as a CW reward vehicle, but apparently as a regular one – but SerB states that it’s hard to balance (as in, overpowered)”

    ^This…right here…made my day. I’ve played the T110E4 but…i’m not a fan.What ticks me most off about it is the fact it is almost entirely made up. I would LOVE to see the T58 implemented into the game in the E4′s place as a real, historical alternative Teir Ten US Turreted-TD line vehicle. Yes…it’d need some balancing (Off the top of my head i can think of a nerf to the magazine size [3 rounds instead of historical 6]) but with some work…it’d be an amazing tank.

    More information on this tank can be found here, for those curious enough: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/241234-replace-the-t110e4-with-the-updated-619/

  18. - 8.7 will be a simple patch, containing apparently only content (vehicles,maps), not functional changes. SerB confirms 8.7 will bring British arty.

    So, 8.7 should in it’s entirety, contain the following;
    - Full UK SPG line,
    - Tier III Sexton I Premium UK Arty,
    - Tier VII E-25 Premium German TD
    - Tier VIII 112 Premium Chinese Heavy
    & no hidden surprises to existing models.
    If public tests start soon we may see 8.7 release in the next 3 or 4 weeks, believe it was originally mention ( several weeks ago a timeline was mentioned for 8.6 & 8.7) to have it out before 21st July.

    This leaves Aug-Dec for 8.7-9.0, anyone care to comment possible content? Havoc, Japanese tree, 2nd German TD’s, American Lights, Chinese branches, UK lights..?

    • Plus maps!
      1 Winter Soviet city is due
      + others, if we finish the year with 2 or 3 more, even just return of Swamp & Komarin I’d be happy..

      • Has anyone noticed the new US camo never made the release in 8.6?
        Possible oversight?